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Greg Moore, part 1. Mark Webber remembers

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It’s with a fondness that over the next five weeks we will celebrate memories and the fun that was Greg Moore.

Greg Moore. It’s a name that stirs emotions and memories, happiness and sadness all in one go. For all of October, my weekly column will celebrate the life of the Canadian that was cut so short, and try and pass on some of the fun that everyone around him experienced before he sadly lost his life at the tragically young age of 24.

First up is Mark Webber. Not many people know that there was a link between current Red Bull Racing’s Australian Formula 1 winner and the young Canadian. Greg was part of the Mercedes-Benz IndyCar family, and in 1997 joined up to race in the FIA GT races at Sebring and Laguna Seca in America, where he was teamed with Alex Wurz in the Mercedes CLK. The following year Webber joined the family, teaming successfully with Bernd Schneider. In the summer of that year AMG Mercedes took Mark and Bernd to Elkhart Lake for the CART IndyCar race.

When I approached Mark for this piece he said that (like anyone else that met him) Greg quickly made an impression that weekend at Road America. “It would have been really hard not to strike up a good relationship pretty quickly. He was a super guy,” says Mark. “I’d been in F3 the year before and Elkhart Lake in 1998 was my first visit to an IndyCar race. It was all new. I was a bit junior then, and Dario Franchitti, Max Papis and Tony Kanaan were three or four years ahead of me, and obviously knew Greg a lot better, and it was clear they hung out a lot together.” As you will read over the next few weeks – from those guys themselves – they became know as the ‘Brat Pack’.

Being from Australia may have helped Mark fit in with the gang so easily. “It was strange,” he laughs. “I remember sitting with Greg’s Dad, Ric, at the IndyCars, and I think Canadians and Australians have an automatic bond as we’re from Commonwealth countries. We struck up a relationship very quickly and easily. I was at an early stage in my career but it was clear Greg and I had a lot more in common than a lot of the people I worked with from other countries. We had a great time on the weekend, on golf buggies and all sorts.”

That was all helped by former Mercedes driver Franchitti winning his first IndyCar race that Sunday. The post-race party that night is the stuff of legend, with (allegedly) Dario and Greg both found passed out on the lawn outside the famous Siebkens bar after a night fuelled by success, beer and Jagermeister.

“Yeah I was at that… There was plenty going on,” says Webber. “To honest mate, I don’t remember a huge amount of what happened that night! There were lots of people there, and yes, we had a good time….”

So as a youngster fresh out of Formula 3, did IndyCars attract him as a career step after GT racing?

“It was a shame that Greg and I couldn’t have been team-mates in GT, and we did speak about that,” Webber reflects. “He was doing his single-seater stuff and obviously I had just left single-seaters and gone into sportscars. It would have been really great. We were the same height – we would have fitted like a glove I think.

“I enjoyed the endurance element of my career in GT Racing and the camaraderie with the team and a team-mate. Bernd Schneider was like a big brother to me at the time. I always thought using kerbs and stuff was very scrappy, and I didn’t like it, and preferred to be clean. But Bernd was the guy that taught me how to be quick using kerbs. I always thought that was untidy, and you could be quick without using them. Bernd was like an open cheque-book in terms of information. Obviously Klaus (Ludwig) and Ricardo (Zonta) were different in terms of experience, and Bernd had a bit of a handicap with me because my only experience was in Formula Ford and Formula 3 before that, and endurance racing was a whole new thing. I probably did more laps in GT that year than I had in Formula Ford and F3 put together!”

As they headed into the 1999 season, things were looking good, but then a string on incidents that year saw so many things that would shape Mark Webber’s future career. While Mercedes had plans, circumstances would take over. First of all two frightening accidents at Le Mans for Webber, and one for team-mate Peter Dumbreck, that June led to AMG Mercedes cancelling the GT programme.

“Mercedes were looking at placing me over in America. But I’d made my decision by then,” says Webber. “I was testing for Benetton in F1 around the time, and I went to the Brazilian Grand Prix and saw Nelson Piquet Sr….” His voice trails off without finishing his thought. The Brazilian World Champion’s career was effectively ended after a crash at Indianapolis in 1992 that badly injured his legs.

“Obviously in ’99 we had the Le Mans stuff for me,” he recalls, “and then Greg was killed. That year was a tough year for lots of reasons. There was Greg, and Gonzalo Rodriguez at Laguna a few weeks before. I knew Gonzalo really well. He was great for me coming through, such a super-friendly guy too. I mean they are all a big loss, but those two were big for me, and we were all part of the Mercedes family.

“There were just lots of things that happened in about six months,” continues Mark. “Le Mans for a start, but the Greg thing knocked me around a lot – just some of the superspeedway crashes. I know they also have big ones on the short ovals too, but after that it was never going to be an option for me, even though Mercedes could have made lots of options for me to be a professional over in America… By then though, it was a long way down on my list by then to race there.”

Webber’s career path took him instead to F1, a path that Greg Moore admitted at the time was on his agenda too. But the Canadian’s new contract in Penske for 2000 put his F1 ideas on hold. Sadly, neither were fulfilled. Mark was a year younger than Greg, so it’s only up to us to imagine what might have been for Greg Moore, either in Indy or in F1.

Next week… Find out what happens when two best racing driver buddies have a day to mess about in Florida with two road cars, a road trip, a go-kart track on the way, and three very scared passengers… Days of Thunder doesn’t begin to describe it.

Special thanks to Mark Webber @AussieGrit, Mercedes-Benz Motorsport, and Michael C Brown mcbpicture@me.com

By Andy Hallbery

  • http://motorsportretro.com Andy Hallbery

    I’ve had an amazing response to this first Greg Moore story, but I have to share this one with you from Jade Gurss, who was working for Mercedes-Benz USA throughout Greg’s career, and has since written a best-selling book with Dale Earnhardt Jr.

    From Jade: ” I was proud to have been with Mercedes for every one of his CART starts. If you speak with Alexander Wurz, ask about Greg giving him the secret to the Laguna Seca Corkscrew. “Aim for that tree,” Moore told him. On his first lap at speed, Wurz almost crashed. He said: “I guess that was the wrong tree….”

    Thanks for the response and keep the fond memories coming. We’d love to hear from you all. And above all enjoy the site, and this series.
    Andy Hallbery

  • http://www.motorsportretro.com Graham Dalley

    Hi Andy,
    you know you have those ‘kennedy assasination/ twin towers’ moments, when you can remember with absolute clarity where you were and what you were doing? Greg’s accident is one of those moments for me. It was in the days when CART was being shown live on eurosport and being a petrol head watching it was a no brainer. So I saw that crash live, with Senna’s accident still relatively fresh in my mind, I knew it was gonna be bad.
    It still upsets me to be honest, I’ve been sitting trying to think what to write, yet all I can see in my minds eye is the car spinning across the infield hitting the access road and flipping. I can’t write anymore but we all know what happened next. I mention Greg to people these days and only a few know who he is which is to me at any rate, a sad situation as he was a tremendously gifted driver.

  • http://www.twitter.com/seeuatthefront seeuatthefront

    Thank you, so much, for sharing this, and the articles to come.

    When some racing fans are asked “who’s the first driver you supported?”, they have to think for a moment. For me, the answer is immediate: Greg Moore. It was his “hold nothing back” style that truly hooked me on racing, and part of what keeps me coming back is seeing the influence he’s had on other drivers (especially James Hinchcliffe). I started watching racing when I was very young, but my memory of most of it is pretty fuzzy, until I come to a crystal-clear mental snapshot of that Players blue car. I don’t remember exactly which track it was (though part of me is fairly sure it was Long Beach), but I remember palm trees, and not being able to take my eyes off of this young, skillful driver, and knowing, even with my limited racing knowledge, that he was something special. When I saw him interviewed, I instantly fell in love – and I think everyone else did, too. It was impossible not to like him. It makes me smile to see people recall him so fondly, to know that he brought so much joy to so many lives.

  • http://Www.carvergifts.com Veronica

    What a great piece. Mark Webber is one of my favorites in formula 1. It’s
    Always cool when something that seems so far from everyday reality is actually linked close
    To home(BC that is).

  • TedNes

    Hi Andy;

    Wonderful notes on Greg—I can’t wait to read more. Greg was an incredible guy to work with, from race engineers to sponsor appearances, to the lowly guy cleaning the car and putting stickers on it. I first tripped across Greg when he was running FFord at Mosport near my home—even then, his car carried his fabled 99. From there, through Indy Lights, and off to super-stardom, Greg always stayed grounded. The ‘brat-pack’ of CART—he, Dario, Max, Tony K–were great fun off the track, and when we lost Greg, it wasn’t just them that lost a friend—he was a friend to all.

    By chance, I was not in Fontana that Halloween day in 99, but many of my friends were, team members of Forsythe, Ganassi, and Newman-Haas. Sadly, I will always remember that day and the utter gutting it delivered to me instantly. Thankfully, I have many good memories of Greg as well to offset that day—my favorite being in Michigan in 97, when he literally gave me the shirt off his back as I was soaking wet from a rainstorm, getting caught in the paddock. Greg was a slight lad, myself a little larger, and the laughing and posing that ensued after me slipping on his slightly tight shirt had everyone on the pavement killing themselves laughing. That was Greg in a nutshell….a truly enjoyable person.

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  • Sonja

    Sad. I knew his brother, J.M is the worst person in the world.

  • JM

    Who are you Sonja and what did I do to you? Very brave aren’t you?

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  • Robert O’Rourke

    Cheers all,.I was very fortunate to work with Gregs parents,donating prints from my original paintings of Greg at speed to raise funds for The G.M.F. Great to read your words here Mr.Hallberry

  • The Scot

    I was very much a fan of Greg and the day he was killed almost finished me with motor racing for good, a terrible loss